Why Do People Think Passive Investment Means "Set It and Forget It"?

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Does the majority of people understand what passive investments mean? I'd argue that most don't, or have unrealistic expectations regarding this type of investment and what "passive" really means.

I'd also argue that if more would understand what passive investments mean and apply it correctly, less people would be poor or just getting by with their lifes.

Passive investments or passive income have been almost glorified during recent decades, but in a way that people interpret as "set it and forget it". A form of capitulation either to laziness or to lack of knowledge or responsibility.

Some would say there are pure passive investments, for example, S&P500, which on average goes up 8% yearly. But is it? I don't know how this is in other places, but in my country bank deposits up to a limit are guaranteed, but capital investments are not. So what happens if the brokerage firm goes under? You've lost your investment, right? So you must at least keep an eye on market systemic risks and signs of problems with the brokerage firm (which isn't easy).

In the US I think you can buy that as part of your retirement plan (I don't know details, so don't quote me on that), probably with some protection. But even that is a matter of choosing the best investments over time so that at the end of your career you have enough funds there...

If you go with a managed account, then it's passive for you, but it's not really passive investing, and you pay for having your account managed. You also pay forms of commissions for investing in hedge funds, mutual funds, ETFs, etc.

Let's move to Hive. What is considered the best passive income currently on Hive? HBD in savings, right?

Say you add 10,000 HBD to savings at 20% APR, considering it a passive investment. Is it ok to ignore this investment for, let's say, 5 years, and return to collect the interest then?

Let's see...

  • 3 years ago there was no interest on HBD in savings (not developed yet)
  • the interest is not fixed and can be changed at any time by the majority of top witnesses signalling to a different rate
  • debt ratio can go above 30% and then no interest will be paid out and the conversion to 1$ worth of HIVE is no longer guaranteed by the blockchain

So, do you think it's wise to make such an investment and return after 5 years to collect the interest and maybe the principal too?

The same idea (with deeper concerns) applies to other stablecoins and return offered on them. Would you invest in such a stablecoin on the principle "set it and forget it", knowing regulations will come that will most likely affect them? What if someone would have invested in BUSD this way 3 years ago with the plan to come back after 10 years only to find out BUSD is no more... At least not backed by anything or anyone.

What I understand by passive investment is something that doesn't need regular actions after it grew big enough to be self-fueling, but at the same time it needs occasional supervision and adjustments, and if required, more decisive actions.

There are three phases for a passive investment, from my point of view:

  • the growth phase, characterized by micromanaging, regularly adding more funds and compounding
  • the mature phase, when it becomes self-fueled and starts delivering significant ROI
  • the end phase, when, despite the self-fueling capacity of the passive investment, the base investment is in big trouble and a gradual (or abrupt) exit is probably recommended - most people would be in denial about this phase (maybe even me), that's another reason why most people are not rich

Treating a passive investment as a "set it and forget it" investment (encouraged by all the automation we got used to), is probably one of the biggest mistakes, other than not being consistent and determined in developing the passive investment while it's still in the growth phase, and draining it before it matures.

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It is still strange to that people set it and forget it. This is not how it should be though and this is why some passive income or investment didn't later work out as expected

Yes, if someone doesn't look at his or her investments carefully over time, there is a higher risk of something bad blind-siding the investor in the future and losing money.

Do you think that many people set and forget? A savings or save deposit perhaps, but I think most people having stocks or other forms of investments will occasionally have a look at them. Some more than others. But perhaps I'm wrong :)

Stocks maybe not as often (although I doubt many invest based on fundamental analysis). Unless they are dividend stocks and they don't check if or when companies pay dividends or how much the dividend is compared to other companies from the same industry. But indexes, I'm pretty sure some do set and forget... It's not always about the price. As I said, it could involve systemic risks, or, more likely, the risk that the brokerage firm goes bankrupt.

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I feel you on this
They should at least check on the investment once in a while. It is funny how some people invest in something and expect billions after a few years when they are back to claim profit

This reminds me of a practice in crypto the cycle before (maybe still this cycle too), to buy a bunch of cheap altcoins hoping someday they will moon, without knowing much if anything about each project and without following through unless you hear at a later date about it in the news and remembering that you hold some.

It is true that most of the people do not have a good idea about passive investment or many are not able to apply it properly. It is also true that if people could apply it properly then people would not be poor. Thank you for explaining the issues beautifully with examples.

Unfortunately, this is true. In part, this is about education. But also, the determination to keep growing the passive income source is a factor.

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They thought things will drop from the sky. Hehe

Sometimes they do. But that's pure lottery or gambling.

I agree that there are too many people who take it out too early. I am treating Hive more as an investment and I will be leaving it there for a while to go. Draining it too early isn't going to produce nearly enough of a profit for people to live out the rest of their lives. Passive investments take time.

That is true. Many people start taking out from the passive investment long before it reaches a snowball effect to be self-fueled.

Nice sharing. Yeah I think "passive income" has been a little overhyped in the mainstream media sometimes. Actually a lot of stuff is not "passive" and some effort is still required to oversee. Of course passively buying a S&P500 ETF would require less effort than picking individual stocks, but both require some form of effort. I am just "glad" or "fortunate" that I have an interest in financial stuff, or even related stuff like cryptos, so it's like a hobby to me and I don't really see it as an "effort" (as compared to my day job, hehe!).

It's much better, of course, when the tasks involved in overseeing or adjusting passive investments are more like a hobby and pleasurable, instead of a chore. People sometimes avoid doing chores, even if they need to be done... eventually.

I am a person, who believes in long time investment. I don't know i am doing good or bad, but i am holding some coins and i am sure they will give me profit in the long run.

That's good, as long as you keep an eye on them and the projects/protocols behind them, in my opinion. Otherwise, it's a lot of hoping and gambling, instead of knowing. We've all done that and probably still do, but we shouldn't do that with our main holdings.

If you go with a managed account, then it's passive for you, but it's not really passive investing, and you pay for having your account managed. You also pay forms of commissions for investing in hedge funds, mutual funds, ETFs, etc.

I think you countered your whole post with this statement. Going with a managed account is passive, and they usually take the payment/fee from the account, so you don't have to do anything. In a well managed fund, you should be earning more than the fee/commissions.

Additionally, you didn't mention bonds and company offerings. Those tie up your money for a time, and return interest. It is literally set it and forget it. The returns might not be that high, but they are some of the safest investments.

I don't consider investments where others do the work for you for a commission as "set and forget". For one, it's actively managed, just not by you. And the second part is... you really can't trust anyone with your money without paying attention to what is going on, or you risk losing them, regardless of how reputable the management firm is. Lehman Brothers was reputable and went bankrupt...

Additionally, you didn't mention bonds and company offerings.

Have you heard of companies not being able to pay their debt? There are treasury bonds, and those high-rated (particularly US bonds) are unlikely to default even in the long term, but there is a market for them. And they fluctuate on the market throughout their term. And given their low interest, any fluctuations matter and are hunted by bond investors. That means not passive.

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